34 COMMENTS:
Anonymous said...
Oddly - You are an idiot! Eric didn't post his own letter on tabloid baby, he is sick of your daily blog - he sent it as an email to everyone in the league this morning. He sure as hell wouldn't have posted it on your forum!
Someone else posted it, and I in fact had to call him up and let him know that some bozo had posted it on this site.
In fact, I'm the one that wrote Eric Holtz should be the next commissioner, and just by chance, a few minutes after the letter was posted.
Investigative journalists you are not! As a matter of fact, it was nice to see someone put their name to something for a change. He does not want to be commissioner in any way shape or form. Go ahead, ask him! He already has a job, and it isn't in Israel!
P.S. He never started a failed buisiness, he strted a buisiness that was difficult in the beginning, and is now very successful. Nice try though!
11/27/2007 5:35 PM
Anonymous said...
Knowing how you guys work, someone probably sent it to Elli and he posted it here to make himself look like the poor attacked journalist... boo hoo, Eric said something bad about me, I'll start to smear him too...
Only one problem - WE ALL LIVED with the man for 2 months, and he was the most honest guy there, and went out on a limb for every player there every chance he got. Including standing against Baras when he felt he was wrong.
Go ask any player there! Go ask the group that is trying to start the IPBL, go ask the security guards, the trainers, the staff, the other managers, and most of all the Israeli fans.
You just shot yourself in the foot tabloid baby! You messed with the wrong man! Elli is just upset because the last time he called Eric for a comment, he said he would prefer to keep his opinions to himself. Sometimes you should just quit while you are ahead!
11/27/2007 5:53 PM
Sandy Koufax said...
Oh, so Holtz isn't big enough to slander Elli in public. He only did it behind the scenes, in a continuation of the smear campaign begun after the first article. Big man.
And you wrote in to nominate Holtz for commissioner "just by chance?"
FEH!
Holtz is the one who went on a self-serving slander attack and (I know from slander), whether via email or on the comments forum (and thank G-d for that forum).
And thank G-d for this site and these journalists who are playing it down the middle.
11/27/2007 6:58 PM
Ken Holtzman said...
I wrote it as a joke Alan Gardner, and yes as a lawyer you are probably quite familiar with slander - you did it behind peoples backs all summer, and now here!
Oh, and I'm pretty sure that this forum doesn't serve Holtz in any way, and writing an email to the entire league and all it's members certainly doesn't constitute behind the back since he knows some self serving fool would send it to Eli.
Thank G-D we don't have to watch you try and play baseball anymore!
11/27/2007 7:24 PM
Anonymous said...
ALL YOU IBL GUYS ARE THE SAME. YOU WRITE AN E MAIL AND SEND IT TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND THEN TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY READ IT YOU POST IT ON TABLOID BABY AND THEN YOU DENY YOU DID IT.
11/27/2007 7:30 PM
Shawn Green said...
It's nice to see that you can pull your hand off your man member for a change to write in. Nice job with the shift key! You can release it and go back and play now.
We know how much you love to hear yourself speak but did you have to write it twice?
Too bad the only service you have to offer is being an asshole. Guess there isn't a great deal off demand for that in the states! I hate to tell you, but Israel doesnt want you either. Baptist Village called, they said we should keep the idiot!
11/27/2007 7:45 PM
Kfar Fruit Bat said...
Do not fuck with Eric Holtz, he is a good and decent man. I hope i speak for all IBL players when I say I will never visit or post on this site again.
11/27/2007 9:16 PM
Anonymous said...
I'd jump in front of a bus for Holtz - that's a real leader, someone who will tell you like it is with no BS even if you don't like what it is he has to say. I've seen him tell off Baras, Berger, as well as Rollhaus and Wilson, and I've seen him praise each of them as well. I read his letter. He doesn't preach or tell you what to think, he gives his own opinion and why he believes what he does, and lets you decide for yourself.
I'm with the last poster - I'm done with this blog "THE END PERIOD!"
11/28/2007 6:31 AM
Anonymous said...
Shawn Green, who are you referring to?
11/28/2007 7:30 AM
Anonymous said...
"...an honest, diligent, experienced and brave reporter whose investigation and reportage has been inspired solely to protect the lives of you and your colleagues..."
Wow! Elli does all that! I didn't know that I was in so much danger! Why were the sunflowers going to attack? Perhaps you were protecting us from the wild peacocks at the Hkfar! Thanks for the protection, but next time I'll just buy a pit bull. They are more loyal and trustworthy.
Sit Elli sit! Good dog!
Story is dead along with your career as a serious journalist, but please feel free to continue reporting on Israeli football, you have a real future in that... perhaps as the person who runs out and grabs the tee after the kickoff. I hear you are quite qualified to do that.
You can hardly call it good honest reporting when you pick and choose who you talk to, and avoid others when they won't give you what you want to hear because it doesn't quite fit into the story!
There was a reason why everyone called Gardner Media-Al. He never saw a camera or an interview he didn't like. He had more air time than playing time! There is something about a 45 year old NY lawyer who goes out at night wearing a crooked Dominican Republic hat and hitting on 19 year olds in a bar that really creeps me out, but hey, just beause you are a sleeze doesn't mean you aren't good for a quote or two. Nice job Elli!, and way to go tabloid baby.
Maybe next you can interview the peacocks at the Hkafar, they might have the inside scoop, or maybe you can just scoop up after them as you prepare for your next career.
11/28/2007 7:39 AM
Anonymous said...
YOU ARE SHORTSIGHTED ASSHOLES ATTACKING THE MESSENGER. YOU DONT GET PAID AND WHEN YOU DO GET PAID THE CHECKS BOUNCE. YOU PLAY FOR THE "JOY" OF THE GAME AND TO LIVE OUT LITTLE BOY DREAMS. YOU THINK MANAGEMET GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT YOU? YOURE SLAVES AND STUPD SLAVES ATTACKING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING OUT FOR YOU. STUPID UNEDUCATED JOCK FOOLS. WHERE WILL YOU GATHER TO COMPLAIN NEXT TIME WHEN TABLOIDBABY MOVES ON?
11/28/2007 7:45 AM
Shawn Green said...
There you go again - can't hit the caps lock key because you are too busy pull your hand off your man member.
Please go back to thinking about 19year old Israeli girls, no one wants to hear from you any more. Besides we already know who you are.
You can go back and play now.
11/28/2007 7:57 AM
Anonymous said...
From my reading of this blog over the past months, I would say it is safe to express any opinion but that you should launch personal volleys against Eli. That seems fair. I would agree that Eric, fine person as I know him to be, was ill-advised to have done so and should apologize.
11/28/2007 9:13 AM
Raanana IBL Player said...
Agree with Fruitbat. This site is dead to me. You call yourself a messenger but all you are doing is fanning flames of a fire (a very weak fire). You are trying to divide and promote hostility within a very tight group, and it is working.
Why in the world would you write that Holtz wants to be the commissioner? He never said it, never implied it. WHy would you write that he had a failed business. You have no proof his business failed, in fact you can assume it is doing great..how else could he take off a few months to play ball and still support his family.
This is my last post. I now see what this blog truley is.
Elli you may have at one time been a respected journalist but you have allied yourself with tabloid baby. I cannot tell what tabloidbaby starts and you end. You are the same.
Game over.
NEXT!
11/28/2007 10:43 AM
Anonymous said...
The fat lady is singing on this story and the IPBL! By the way, you can buy Tabloid baby on EBAY for $1.82 American, and none of the proceeds go to the Author! Hey...the paper is worth more than the book sells for!
11/28/2007 11:08 AM
Anonymous said...
Gardner can cry to Rosen and Rollhaus for playing time-(Playing with himself) is about all he is capable of
11/28/2007 11:11 AM
Anonymous said...
In the states we have the Mendoza Line... in Israel be it forever known as the Gardner Line!
Mr. .190!
11/28/2007 11:14 AM
Anonymous said...
THE GARDNER LINE! I LOVE IT! OUTSTANDING!!!
11/28/2007 11:17 AM
Anonymous said...
Hey! I saw ESPN, wasn't Mendoza at least a great defensive player? I don't remember seeing that from AG.
11/28/2007 11:22 AM
Anonymous said...
Well he sure ran to catch the Reynoldo Cruz ambulance. Suddenly he was Reynoldo's best friend! Must be something instinctive in lawyers. A new Schnitzel! Best defensive ambulance chaser in the IBL.
11/28/2007 11:25 AM
Anonymous said...
Eric started it when he called "the lowest level of Human Life in a reporter that I have ever seen."
Unprovoked.
Uncalled for.
Unfair.
Foul ball.
Ejected.
Eric deserves the spanking from TB because they stand up for Elli. He started it.
11/28/2007 11:31 AM
Anonymous said...
I can see it now-Gardner with the Pom Poms and Rollhaus with the Tzitzis flying out from under his shirt everytime he stands up. Gardner-Holtz was wrong!! You should have started instead of Mr. NY Yankee Jason Rees or Slaughter or Lyons-Didn't you tell people you better than all 3?
11/28/2007 11:34 AM
Anonymous said...
I can't believe someone actually wrote "He started it!"
"DID NOT!!!"
11/28/2007 12:00 PM
Anonymous said...
This comment thread is beyond ridiculous. Reality check here. The fact is that the IBL is deeply in debt, just lost its team of advisors who lent both credibility and legitimacy to the league, and has yet to communicate how it plans to rectify the situation. From the press releases it appears that season 2 is still going forward. However, there are so many unanswered questions. Whatever the circumstances are that got the IBL to this situation and whether you stand with the IPBL or IBL, Martin and Larry just need to communicate what's going on. This is not just about players who are owed $500. There are honest, hard working vendors that are owed hundreds and thousands of dollars with no idea if they will ever get paid. It is in everyone's best interest to make sure that either of the leagues is not operated in a slipshod way.
11/28/2007 12:24 PM
Anonymous said...
EVERYONE PLEASE READ THIS!!!
Reality Check... It is almost impossible for a new league to make money in it's first season, especially one with only 6 franchises. Go take a look at the Southern League in Georgia if you think this is an isolated problem unique to the IBL.
I challenge everyone to visit this web site, read the entire story, then tell me that this is such a one of a kind situation!
Remove SCL and insert IBL and the stories are almost exactly the same!
http://www.aikenstandard.com/2007redesign/news/313605375316629.php
11/28/2007 12:41 PM
Anonymous said...
I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for some direct communications from the IBL on how it is going deal with these problems. That has nothing to do with a start-up business and should occur whether or not you are profitable.
If your own business was being jeopardized because someone couldn't pay and wouldn't tell when or how you were going to be paid, you'd be less dismissive and forgiving.
11/28/2007 12:49 PM
Anonymous said...
At this point, I'm really craving a bagel.
11/28/2007 1:27 PM
Anonymous said...
When will we hear from Larry Baras?
Will it be before or after the first of the year?
11/28/2007 2:12 PM
Anonymous said...
What is with you people? Calling for a guy to get killed? What's wrong with you people? Were you in Israel? It doesn't sound like it? So Holtz didn't play Gardner much. Does anyone really think he's trying to get a new league going so he can play more? Or so it's better for the guys we all played with. Does anyone remember who called the guys together when the Dominicans were going to walk on payday, got Dan Kertzer there and prevented the walkout? Wasn't that Gardner? Anyone remember Pribs saying to let Gardner handle it because he'as an attorney? Didn't the attorney get the job done?How do you think we got Larry to agree to pay cash for the rest of the summer-another promise he broke. Give the guy a break. What did he do wrong? No meeting with the players, no more league, we go home in late July. What did he do during the summer to fuck with anyone? What's Holtz got against him? He couldn't hit the curveball? Neither could Holtz, so they're even. By the way, Eric may be a solid dude, but what's the Holtz line? Anyone check that out? I mean, let's be fair here and not a bunch of jerks.
And has anyone asked Holtz what he's getting out of supporting Larry and Martin? Is it all because he's just a good dude? Does he have an interest? Hey, I don't care who gets baseball going in Israel as long as it happens. I had a great time, got some good playing time in and I've got a new job, so I'm not going back. But what's with this bullshit everyone is writing? . I didn't realize there were so many assholes in our group when we were having a good time this summer. Freakin' grow up.
By the way, I talked to Gardner yesterday and he had no idea this stuff was posted here until I told him. He told me he gave up on this site because of the nonsense being written in anonymous posts. Who could blame him or anyone else.
11/28/2007 10:15 PM
BringHeat said...
Pioneers are red
Bet Shemesh is Blue
Elli's a hack
And let's play two.
IBL vs IPBL is not the battle here. True, there's only room for one pro baseball league in Israel - and make no mistake, there IS room for pro baseball in Israel - but when the dust settles, I think we'll realize we have in our collective hands ALL the tools we'll need to run a successful and exciting league for all sports fans to enjoy, with enough room for everyone who wants to be involved, in a way that respects everyone's input - both financially and organizationally. Everyone's collective connections, skills, goodwill, and experience can rebuild credibility, establish a better, more fair business model, and make this into a wildly successful venture of which we can all be proud, no matter our roles.
I would never throw anyone involved with this league so far under the bus - I believe everyone had good intentions, and even those who mishandled things and/or made poor decisions, did so in good faith. I think we need to step back from the drama and realize what an amazing thing we have here - and find a way to work TOGETHER to make it happen. It's definitely not too late.
Maybe it's a good thing we have mudslinging, smarmy, sensationalist, no-talent gossip-column rejects like Elli and TabloidBaby trying to stir up dissention. Maybe they'll help us realize we're ALL divided by a common goal - baseball in Israel - and regardless of our on-field affiliations, we're on the same team off the field.
During the American Revolution, Ben Franklin once said something along the lines of, "We must all hang together, or we shall surely hang separately." The context was different but the sentiment is the same as another, more apt saying, this time from Abraham Lincoln: "A house divided against itself cannot stand." Israel baseball needs all of us to succeed. We have to find a way to make this work, together.
There's a solution here without taking sides or hurling insults. I'm putting my name on this because - well, it's important. This is bigger than Holtzie or Gardner or Baras or Berger or Holtzman or me or anyone. This is about us as a league.
I'm in, and I'm willing to do whatever I can to make it happen.
Are you?
-Leon Feingold
#45, Netanya Tigers
11/29/2007 7:45 AM
Anonymous said...
Well said Leon! Everyone that wants BASEBALL to succeed in Israel needs to be on the same side here. It is clear that tabloidbaby has an agenda that cares nothing for baseball or any league. They care only about tabloidbaby going forward. To that end they continually look for credit and accolates and not substance.
Those that care about Israeli baseball need to keep their eyes on THAT prize and not get diverted or divided. It would be appropriate for the IBL to reach out to all that would like to be constructive and accept help from everyone that offers it. I hope that happens. I know many people have offered with a pure heart to help the league, their effort were not always accepted. Perhaps that can change now as we go forward.
Leon, it is good to see you chime in here with a voice of reason. You should be proud of yourself.
11/29/2007 8:53 AM
Anonymous said...
rvhey did you all hear the news!!
Alan Gardner supposedly has had a fight with Rollhaus and Jeffrosen has backed off from the IPBL
well iguess that's that!!
12/01/2007 10:55 AM
Anonymous said...
Really good job Leon. I agree on all counts. I apologize for not leaving my name. Given the nastiness of this blog,I dare not expose my family to shit about me which wuld endoubtedly be written in return anonymously by gardner and rollhaus. Elli, Rollhaus, Gardner ( No i do not for a second believe he is unaware of each and every posting, as he does most) Wilson you are shit. Disloyal in it to be somebody. Rosen you just do not know how nothin those guys are.
Lets make the IBL work. Larry if you are reading this, forgive some for not doing more to stand up for you. I know you have given this all you got. I know how you have been thrown under the damned bus. You have had an oar taken from you, and many have swam away but stay steady and strong. You are more than many.
12/01/2007 3:14 PM
Anonymous said...
THIS IS GREAT!! THIS IS THE WAY TABLOID BABY DEALS WITH CRITISISM. HMMM I WONDER WHT THEY WOULD PRINT AS A HEADLINE IF LARRY BARAS HAD ANSWERED THIS WAY:-)
THIS WAS THERE COMMENTS TO LEON
We hear youre a competive eater. So eat this.
We're saving you dumb jocks from getting fucked over next season as well.
We take it personally
Fuck you.
The Tabloid Baby staff.
12/05/2007 2:48 AM
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